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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 4 May 95 13:44:30 CDT    Volume 15 : Issue 222

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: 404 Area Code Split; New Code 770 (Linc Madison)
    Re: 404 Area Code Split; New Code 770 (Stan Brown)
    Re: 404 Area Code Split; New Code 770 (Lee Winson)
    Re: The AT&T "Minimum Usage Charge" Rumor (Tom Horsley)
    Re: The AT&T "Minimum Usage Charge" Rumor (Anthony Campbell)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (Patrick Phalen)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (Bob Izenberg)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (Antoin O Lachtnain)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (Marc Schaefer)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (Robbie Honerkamp)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (Markus Gloede)
    Re: Open NNTP Servers Wanted by Reader (S. Rathinam)
    Re: Annoying Calls: Can We Deal With Them? (James E. Bellaire)
    Re: Annoying Feature on Payphones (Rob Hjort)

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rad ([e-mail]) wrote:

>    Yesterday, the Georgia PSC announced an area split for metro
> Atlanta.  For the most part, anything inside I-285 will be 404, all
> the 'burbs will be 770 (that's me).

>    The PSC was considering two plans.  One being the plan approved
> above and the other involving an overlay scenario. ...

> Also, after the 404/706 split a few years ago, it was predicted that
> Atlanta had numbers for EIGHT years.  Three years later we're in a big
> rush to come up with a plan that will go into effect December 1, 1995.
> Thus, one would think that with continued growth here in Atlanta,
> we'll be ready for another split in the not too distant future.  How
> will we split then?  Another donut wouldn't be feasible(sp?), so the
> 770 would have to be split either north/south or east/west.  Which
> brings up the possiblity of having three area codes in extremely close
> proximity, which, in my mind, reduces the benefits of the geographic
> split.

Well, first and foremost you have to blame the local politicians in
the outlying regions of what is currently 404 for whining and crying
enough to persuade the state to leave far too much in 404 and not move
nearly enough into 706.  If the first 404 split had been done sensibly,
it would indeed be several more years before another split would be
needed.  The same is true, by the way, in Colorado; there is no excuse
for having left so much in 303 and so little in 719 in the previous
split.

I have even less patience for this sort of shenanigans than I have for
the cellular/pager companies whining about how it's "discriminatory" to
put them into their own overlay area codes.  Utter nonsense.

Personally, I think the donut plan would work well -- you could have
situations where a telephone across the street from you would be in a
different area code, but something 50 miles away, on the opposite side
of the metropolitan area, is in the same area code.


Linc Madison   *   San Francisco, California   *   [e-mail]

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[e-mail] (rad) writes:

> Yesterday, the Georgia PSC announced an area split for metro
> Atlanta.  For the most part, anything inside I-285 will be 404, all
> the 'burbs will be 770 (that's me).

        Me too.  I was just wondering, since I live two streets outside
I-285, I feel sure that my local switch services phones both inside and
outside I-285.  If this is the case does it mean that the switch lives
in more than one area code?

        Doesn't this make thing interesting?


Stan Brown     [e-mail]    404-996-6955
Factory Automation Systems    Atlanta Ga.



[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Actually, two area codes in the same
central office is not that uncommon in large metro areas where area
code boundaries divide nearby communities. For instance, here in the
Chicago area, the central office known as Newcastle on the far
northwest side of the city always did serve parts of Chicago as well
as the communities of Harwood Heights and Norridge, both of which are
now in 708 while the Chicago prefixes served from Newcastle are in 312.
The physical location of the office itself is in Chicago. The same
thing occurs in areas on the southwest side of Chicago where 312 ends
and 708 begins. I suspect with the additional split to 630 and 847
next year, Newcastle may well have three area codes in the same building
and on the same switch.   PAT]

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In my opinion as a customer, I prefer splits rather than overlays.

Overlays can be used for specialty services such as beepers, mobile
phones, and other phones that don't have a fixed geographic location.

------------------------------



> AT&T claims that 26% of its residential customers have monthly bills
less
> than $3 and 44% less than $10.

I resemble that remark. I usually have monthly LD bill of at most a
few cents (usually a call to NIST's atomic clock to reset my computer
:-). I essentially never make LD calls and would be happy to have no
LD provider at all, and make any LD calls using a 1-0-XXXX code, but I
don't think it is possible to select "nobody" as my LD provider (though
I
would be happy to learn otherwise).


[e-mail]
Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL  33444
Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL
33309
(email [e-mail], 1-800-622-SMART,
gopher://chaos.dac.neu.edu:1112/00/pvs.txt)


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might want to ask again. Quite a few
folks have 'none' as their carrier. It is an interesting and cheap way
to block your phone from unauthorized long distance calls by most people
who might be in your home. Unless they know to dial the 10xxx codes --
and most folks do not -- any attempts to dial long distance will just
reach the 'your call cannot be completed as dialed' intercept. Pressing
double zero only, as in '00' will get the same recording, or in some
locations a fast busy or reorder tone. This is not a recommended way to
handle toll blocking, but it will generally work unless you have a house
full of Digest readers. <grin> ... even if telco defaults your line to
'none', you will still have to pay the network access charge each month
since you can access carriers you choose via 10xxx. Even when you get
'official' toll-restriction from telco, i.e. no matter what you dial out-
side your local area, no matter how you dial it, telco rejects it, you
will still pay network access.   PAT]

------------------------------



[e-mail] (ward michael) writes:

> [e-mail] (Lauren Weinstein) writes:

>> Here's what I've been able to piece together so far.  It's accurate
as
>> far as I know, but I have more inquiries pending and I'll pass along
>> anything else I find out.

>> 1) No minimum charges would apply to residential lines (as far as I
can
>>    determine right now).

I received one of these notices in with my AT&T bill for my residential
line.
It's no rumor.

> It is possible that AT&T does not want low volume customers.  A
> similar issue has come up with regards to residential service.  AT&T
> claims that 26% of its residential customers have monthly bills less
> than $3 and 44% less than $10.

My monthly long distance bill is usually only $1.50-$2.00.  From all the
hype,
I thought I was the only one who didn't spend $50 on long distance a
month.

> It costs AT&T between $0.35 and $0.85 to render a monthly bill.

I guess that is what I found so funny, and frustrating.  I always got my
long distance billing included with my local phone bill.  Without
warning,
several months ago, I started getting my AT&T long distance bill
separately.

Sending off a check for $1.50 every month is quite a nuisance.  I
decided
that with my next bill I would send off a check for $10, just to save
the
hassle of mailing of checks for the next several months.

You know what came with my next AT&T billing, the notice that a $5
minimum
charge would be starting, possibly with the next bill.  And just like
the
separate billing, this too would be to my benefit.

(Don't you love how they worded that notice? :)

Enough is enough, time to switch long distance carriers.

So guess what was again included as part of my just received local
phone bill?  My last AT&T billing.  Too late, AT&T.


[e-mail]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: AT&T has a very good, efficient way of
dealing with minimum usage where cellular phones are concerned. If you
use AT&T as your cellular long distance carrier, that always come billed
separately from some place in Florida. If the bill is less than five
dollars, a note enclosed with the bill says payment can be delayed until
the bill is at least five dollars *or three months has gone by*
whichever
comes first. Over a three month period, presumably at least five dollars
in long distance charges will have accumulated. If not, its hard to
imagine why you are using a cell phone anyway.  My AT&T bill is still
consolidated with the local Ameritech bill and I have not received any
notices about a minimum monthly charge.    PAT]

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> Someone sent me a note the other day which I have managed to lose, but
> the essence of his request was this:  He likes to read Usenet news but
> many of the groups he wants to read are not carried by his site. He
> wants to know of sites which maintain 'open' NNTP servers; that is,
> where anyone can pull the news and post news, etc.

> If you want to send me the information, I'll pass it along to him when
> he writes me again, as I am sure he will when I don't answer him in
the
> next few days. He wrote me, I mistakenly thought he wanted information
> on how to get this Digest by email; he wrote back saying it was not
just
> this Digest, but various other groups that were unavailable as well.

> I told him I would post his note ... now it's lost. :(  His intention
is
> to edit his .login file to 'setenv NNTP open.server.somewhere', and
pull
> the news that way.  Any help will be appreciated.

Patrick,

I've seen this question come up periodically and the standard answer
seems to be that any sys-admin who decides to permit it soon finds
their newsserver overloaded (freeloaded?), and they inevitably have to
slam the door.

Of course, all the major online services provide this, but then why
doesn't he just get a SLIP/PPP dialup connection at home (or work) for
~$20/mo; then he'll have the whole Internet at his fingertips,
including the WWW? If his budget doesn't allow this, he could get a
Shell account for under $9/mo, unlimited use, and Telnet to it from
his other account or acess it directly with a few Unix commands.


Patrick Phalen  <<>>  [e-mail]

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TELECOM Digest Editor <[e-mail]> wrote:

> He wants to know of sites which maintain 'open' NNTP servers

Pat,

They're not asking for much, are they?  :-) There are some (but not as
many as once there were) sites that do promiscuous NNTP.

Does your correspondent understand what they're asking?  "Dear system
administrator: May I transfer anywhere between zero and many megabytes
of data across your network at any time?"  Want to bet that some of
the groups that they seek are high-volume binaries groups?  Would you
also bet that they'll be accessed during the work day instead of in
the wee hours?


Bob Izenberg   512-442-0614 / 617-728-1416 / 800-946-4645, pager 1109500
[e-mail] / [e-mail] / [e-mail]

------------------------------



In comp.dcom.telecom TELECOM Digest Editor wrote:

> Someone sent me a note the other day which I have managed to lose, but
> the essence of his request was this:  He likes to read Usenet news but
> many of the groups he wants to read are not carried by his site. He
> wants to know of sites which maintain 'open' NNTP servers; that is,
> where anyone can pull the news and post news, etc.

Pat,

I seem to recall that news.uunet.ca worked the last time I tried it.
I'm sure they wouldn't thank us if you sent that information to
Usenet, though.

I recall finding that one in a list on a link from the FAQ which
refers to how to get Usenet groups on yahoo. Most of the suggestions
on that list didn't work when I tried them, though.


Antoin O Lachtnain,
Trinity College, Dublin.
mail: [e-mail]

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> to edit his .login file to 'setenv NNTP open.server.somewhere', and
pull
> the news that way.  Any help will be appreciated.

setenv NNTPSERVER news.uni-stuttgart.de
tin -r  # or any newsreader capable of r)emotely reading news.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: More about Stuttgart a little later in
this issue in a larger list of places.   PAT]

------------------------------



news.randomc.com is an open port. :)

Robbie


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for your offering. :)    PAT]

------------------------------



"AW" == Art Walker <[e-mail]> writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> TELECOM Digest
> Editor wrote:

>> I told him I would post his note ... now it's lost. :( His
>> intention is to edit his .login file to 'setenv NNTP
>> open.server.somewhere', and pull the news that way.  Any help
>> will be appreciated.

> Unfortunately, "open" NNTP servers are all but extinct.

news.georgetown.edu is accessible from outside and has
comp.dcom.telecom.


hth,

Markus G.  [e-mail]
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~markusg/

------------------------------



Once a "public" server becomes known, traffic increases and they go
private.  A. Lesiker used to maintain a list which he discontinued
about a year ago.  I have an old version (attached) and most/all the
servers are non-US.  Some of these may still be open.

============  OLD LIST OF PUBLIC NNTP SERVERS

$ finger [e-mail]
LESIKAR  Lesikar, Arnold V.  LESIKAR not logged in
Last login Mon 18-Jul-94 4:35PM-CDT

Plan:

PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE NEWS SERVERS
(Last Update 3/14/94)

I am planning to take down the Lesikar NNTP server list as of mid-July.
Currently I am no longer updating the list.

The problem here is with growth of the net. News administrators seem to
be
unwilling or unable to cope with the increased traffic that results from
publication of their site in my list. They cannot be blamed for this;
the
rapid growth in usage seems to be straining many resources on the net.

There are in fact a number of NNTP servers that can be accessed freely.
However, publishing the address of an accessible site seems to result in
such a load increase that public access is shut off. So giving out the
addresses of the sites that I know of will certainly be self-defeating!

Gopher news servers are easily found throught the use of Veronica.
Search
through gopher directories using the keyword "Usenet" or "news." Not
every
site that turns up this way is accessible, but a percentage of them can
be
used.

The list of public NNTP servers was an experiment. I have learned a good
deal about how the net works from maintaining the list. Unfortunately,
one
of the results of the experiment was proof that the list is impractical
under present conditions. It is for that reason that I am ceasing to
update
the list and will take it down entirely in July.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Many sites seem to have closed down since my last update. :( Currently
only one U.S. site still remains accessible. I am sorry about that
people, but I have no control over how the site administrators decide
to run their servers. We have lost several Gopher news sites as well,
but still 29 sites remain that provide news service through Gopher.

(NOTE: 3/24/94 - the last U.S. site has just closed. You can try
sol.ctr.columbia.edu, but I am told that this site allows only 15
connections at one time. In fact I have never succeeded in connecting
to it. Reportedly it does allow posting.)

These sites have been found to be available to the general public for
NNTP service through port 119.  You will need Newsreader software to
make use of these sites. These sites were found to be open at the time
they were surveyed, but I make no guarantees about future access. News
administrators are free to close off sites to the public at any time.
I will remove any site from this list that asks to be removed.

I have not surveyed what is available at each of these sites.  Please
do not overload these sites looking for pornography. The administrators
of these sites have been notified about this list, and they are
unlikely to make prurient material available to the public.  PLEASE
REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE A GUEST IN MAKING USE OF THESE FACILITIES.  The
news adminstrators who support open access to the Usenet News are
voluntarily doing a service for the public. PLEASE SHOW GRATITUDE FOR
THEIR EFFORTS BY NOT ABUSING THE ACCESS THAT IS PROVIDED!

Please remember also that you can also use Gopher to access the Usenet
news. After the list of news servers, I have included bookmarks for
sites that provide access through Gopher for reading the news.

                                        - arnold v. lesikar
                                        [e-mail]

news.belwue.de, 129.143.2.4 (read only)

news.uni-hohenheim.de, 144.41.2.4 (read only)

news.uni-stuttgart.de, 129.69.8.13  SEE NOTICE BELOW!

newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de, 130.75.2.1 (posting OK)

nic.belwue.de, 129.143.2.4 (read only)

shakti.ncst.ernet.in, 144.16.1.1 (posting OK)

Notice from the news administration of news.uni-stuttgart.de [please
note the access policy & information below]
- allows *read-only* access on port 119,
- anon-nfs access to news.uni-stuttgart.de:/news and
  news.uni-stuttgart.de:/news/spool/news and, finally, to
  news.uni-stuttgart.de:/news/archive [our news archive].
- telnet access: rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de, login info,
  select menu item 1 (shell access), and to change to
  /pub/soft/comm/news/. cd spool/news for the spool dir,
  look around to watch a full-blown news server running 8-)
- anon-ftp access: ftp info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de:/pub/comm/news/*,
  same tree as via telnet access.
- ftpmail access: [e-mail], same
  as ftp access above
- fsp access: info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de, port 21, directory
  /comm/news
- X.25 access (now, thats it ! 8-) to
  NUA (WIN, Datex-P):   0262 45050 367111
  NUA (EuropaNet):      0204 3623 367111
- There is some way for decnet access. I don't know how this
  works. Good luck !

(quick'n'dirty) access policy: news.uni-stuttgart.de is a RS6000 with
128 MB RAM, FDDI interface, and a few Gigabytes disk (10, soon 15 8-).
Its also our campus anon-ftp server. Its running inn-1.4.  There are a
few special hierarchies (e.g. russian, japanese, french etc), but no
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.*, alt.sex.* and some other groups the
university administration was not able to allow, please don't waste
your time trying.

Do not abuse this service. If You want to use our nntp service on a
regular basis, please contact [e-mail] so that
we *know* who You are and why You use our server. This helps us to
defend the open access policy [and we've seen hard times ...]. We will
disable any domain without further notice if we have problems with it.

                    --------------------------

BOOKMARKS TO SITES PROVIDING GOPHER ACCESS TO USENET.

You can edit this list and include whatever parts are of interest in the
bookmark file for your Gopher client. Alternatively you can point your
client directly at the site. On a UNIX system, for example, you could
point your Gopher client at the La Tech Usenet site with the command

gopher -p '1/Usenet News'  aurora.engr.latech.edu 70.

The general format for the command in Unix is

gopher -p  'PATH'  host_name port#

You cannot post news articles via Gopher.  However, it is possible to
post news articles by mail through the University of Texas. You must
remember in using this service that the periods in the newsgroup
name are all changed to hyphens. So, to post an article to the
newsgroup "alt.beer," for example, you would e-mail your article
to the following address:

                  [e-mail].

To post to the newsgroup "comp.os.vms," you would e-mail to

                 [e-mail].

#
Type=1
Name=USENET News (from Lousisiana Tech)
Path=1/Usenet News
Host=aurora.latech.edu
Port=70
#
Type=1
Name=USENET News (from Michigan State University)
Path=nntp
Host=gopher.msu.edu
Port=4320
#
Type=1
Name=USENET News (from Walla Walla College)
Path=news
Host=saturn.wwc.edu
Port=4320
#
Type=1
Name=USENET News (San Diego Supercomputer Center)
Path=1/News/Usenet